Master Of The House, Isn’t Worth Her Spit: On Multiple Ministerial Roles

Well, this letter was loads of fun. PB has a theatre bug herself and appears onstage at fairly regular intervals when there’s a part that’s just too juicy to pass up. As I’ve written elsewhere, I belonged to the Church of Broadway way longer than I have belonged to any other kind of religious community, and I can very much relate to this question. Here’s how it came to me from B:

Just something to think about….tonight is opening night for Les Mis in our local community theater, and I have the great joy of playing Mme. Thenardier. Now, I’ve had other roles that are a bit racy (think Rosie in Bye Bye Birdie dancing on a table at the Shriner’s meeting!), but I’m a bit worried about this one….
Not, surprisingly, about all the bad words I have to sing, but about the newly red — SERIOUS red – hair I decided to dye for the role.
I know that I will get many comments on Sunday about my hair! Which kind of drives me crazy, although I completely recognize that my congregation counts on me to be presentable, well-dressed, with a blond uptwist EVERY Sunday. So, I plan to address it very briefly with a little comment during the announcements.
So, PB, why is this such a big deal?

Dear B!
It’s a big deal because the role of minister is one that trumps all other roles you play in your public life, and it is the one to which you are most seriously and deeply devoted. That’s a guess. OK, it’s a projection. But I’m going to go with it.

I have felt every bit of the anxiety you’re feeling right now. I played my last foul-mouthed character (Chloe in “Lips Together, Teeth Apart”) in Rochester, New York before entering seminary, and now won’t audition for roles that require me to be too undressed or too bawdy. It’s kind of sad, because I’ve had opportunities to play Mama Morton in “Chicago,” but just can’t do it. She’s just too crass. It’s a judgment call.

I fought with a director who insisted that I keep my robe open to reveal camisole, tap pants and a garter belt when I played Miss Hannigan in “Annie.” “She’s a drunk! And desperate! She wouldn’t tie her robe!” he shouted at me. “But my church is coming!” I cried. “Too bad!” he said. “You’re playing a role! This isn’t your church!”
He was right. The robe stayed open and the parishioners who drove a half an hour to see the production were in stitches seeing their minister scream at children, swig from a bottle, and stagger around belting “Little Girls.” I apologized for my scantily clad moments and they told me not to be ridiculous.

As Emma Goldman in “Ragtime,” I sang the lyrics “masturbates for a vaudeville tart.” Over 80 of my parishioners saw the show and couldn’t have been more supportive and proud. It was an extraordinary production and sold out for eighteen performances.

I played Penelope Pennywise in “Urinetown” and sang some nasty lyrics in “It’s a Privilege to Pee.” But the show is hysterically funny and a really smart social commentary whose message I think resonates with the values of my religious tradition, so I took the part. Those are the calls you have to make.

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I baked people into pies as Mrs. Lovett!

Sweeney Have A Little Priest

Guess what, B? We’re artists. Many minsters are. And in the service of our art, which nourishes and inspires and informs our spiritual life and practice of ministry, we sometimes cuss on stage, show our garter belts, sing “isn’t worth me spit/comforter, philosopher and lifelong shit” and dye our hair flaming red.

Here is what I wrote to you the day you sent your message to me:


I’m so excited for you, you bawdy French Revolutionary wench!

Okay, I want to write a longer response to this because I very much relate, and it will be a fun opportunity for theatre ministers to weigh in with similar tales.

My first question is about the congregation’s support for your theatrical endeavors. If it seems good and genuine, INCLUDE THEM in your joy and gratitude for the ability to live out your talents through the arts. So you might preface your hair comment by saying something like, “I realize that my hair is a bit more of a shocking hue than usual, and many of you know that I am in the midst of a run of ‘Les Miserables.’ The red hair is Mme Thenadier’s, not mine. Thank you for your support of this other great love of mine.” If the community has given you any particular insights or gifts that contribute to your ability to shine on stage, mention those. But keep your remarks very brief, very much about them, and smile! Not a touch of embarrassment or defensiveness, mon chere!

Here I am in my own flaming red hair and the infamous robe:

Easy Street Annie

In this, as in all things. Include your community in your loves. As you wish them to live out their gifts in the world, so should they wish the same for you, right? And unless you serve in a much more conservative tradition than mine and need to carefully edit your role choices and almost keep your theatre involvement under wraps (which would be so sad, and which I wouldn’t recommend doing anyway — none of us should serve in communities where any major part of our heart, soul or loves should be closeted), shine it on! That doesn’t mean to talk all the time about your performing (which I’m sure you don’t do, as you are obviously careful to have good boundaries around church and theatre lives and roles), it means to appreciate the ways that the gods of comedy and tragedy bless your commitment to God and Church.

“Les Miserables” is a wonderful show and I must confess that Mme. Thenadier is a role I myself covet and will be auditioning for this summer in a local community theatre. Enjoy your run, smile nicely and humbly when people whistle at your loud hair, wear it in a nice chignon or other elegant style, consider wearing a bit of a more neutral toned wardrobe for awhile until the shock passes, and let your folks appreciate your talent. If there are critics of your hair or choices, you’ll hear about it soon enough. And if you don’t, that means that the community is healthy enough to absorb the negative stuff coming at their pastor, and you don’t need to worry about it.

“To love another person is to see the face of God.” Preach it, girl!
I bet your congregation would love a sermon from you on the themes of the show.

Thanks for letting me share all these fun theatre memories! Send a photo if you want to! We’d love to see!

8 Replies to “Master Of The House, Isn’t Worth Her Spit: On Multiple Ministerial Roles”

  1. This is probably similar to what athletes face as well. I was a bit surprised a year ago when I PR’ed a triathlon, and in the aftermath, found myself on the receiving end of a hug from a parishioner meeting a friend. I had not anticipated meeting her there, and I had my tri top unzipped to my abs, and was wearing nothing but spandex! But again, it was appropriate for the activity. I since become more comfortable in athlete outfits to the point that I was okay being seen at the pool. My people knew I was there to work with my coach or to do my laps. But I’m a modest swimmer and usually remain draped in my towel when on deck.

    I can certainly agree that a minister must be cautious of nekkidness and noodity.

  2. Quite a few years ago (scarily, that’s code for over 20 years ago!) I acted in “Educating Rita” with a good clergy friend of mine. I (not a minister) played Rita, he played Frank. In the play he was required to use a few cuss words, act drunk and be not very ministerial! It also required him to not shave and look rather unkempt. I don’t think he prepared his congregation very well for this, and had quite a few of the older ladies becoming worried that their minister was suffering some kind of break down as he gradually became more and more unshaven. They also had a bit of a shock when they came to support him by watching the play!

    I wholeheartedly endorse your advice about explaining your look, and “warning” your congregation (which I think my friend failed to do)…but also about not apologising. Your love of theatre makes you the wonderful person you are, it can add insight to your sermons and it gives you another facet to your character that can only be good for your congregation, and for yourself.

  3. Or you could do a beautiful teaching/shaming moment and read them: for the Lord does not see as mortals see; they look on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.

    Seriously, some people will love it. You theater involvement and your hair. Don’t underestimate how many. Cuz the complainers will be louder. But not necessarily more numerous.

  4. My experience is similar to Bee’s as someone involved in the roller derby world! I have been open with my congregation about this being something I do, and I’ve gotten more comfortable sharing derby stories in conversation. I have yet to invite my parishioners to a game, but a few people have expressed interest so I’m thinking it may be time to take that leap.

    The derby world is full of a beautiful variety of body types, often in tiny shorts or fishnets and plenty of spandex. I’m hoping that within that context my own dress won’t stir up any feelings, since (aside from the visible tattoos) the ref jersey puts me on the modest side of derby-wear: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100320915489591&set=a.636840544291.2172455.1000343

  5. I have had the same kind of moments wondering if my choices might provoke my congregation. I directed a play which used “Jesus Christ” as an expletive repeatedly. THe Sunday before Halloween my seven year old chose to wear a t-shirt with a very large skull on it. My first thought was that is not appropriate for church. However, after attending the Greenbelt Festival in England (Peacebang, you would love this http://www.greenbelt.org.uk/) my thoughts about the line between what we consider church and not church have been erased. We need to be far less churchy. Our folks need to be far less churchy. We have created this artificial line about what belongs in our expression of faith dependent upon outside or inside the building. Let us model a faith which is engaged with the world, creative, and not a faith which divides us into separate parts. A life of faith will include some risque clothing, swearing, black humour, and abundant life!!! [Preach it, sister! – PB]

  6. thanks so much for the great reflection and kind words! The whole story is actually pretty complicated — it involved demi-permanent red dye, orange hair, a trip to the salon, and an expensive lesson learned about trying to change my hair from anything but the usual…But I will say that my congregation is generally very accepting of my theater involvement (which I try to keep minimal so as not to provoke!), and it helps that there are at least 15 people from my church involved in the show, on stage, in the pit, and on tech stuff. I will email a few pics and you can see what I looked like! It was truly the most fun I have had in any role, and the best ensemble I’ve been blessed to know.

  7. So, so, SO helpful and timely! I actually just auditioned for a local production, certain I’d be relegated to the chorus (it’s been awhile since I’ve been on stage!). And then, lo and behold, the director gave me one of the leads.

    The thing is, the lead swears a few times. Nothing gratuitous, and keeping in character, but gee whiz… I’m a minister!

    I almost turned it down, even though it’s a great show, a phenomenal script, and a storyline I love. Plus – what a plum role!

    But then I read this, and I prayed, and I talked to some other colleagues. And every single person (including one theater buff in my church) was like, “Are you nuts? GO for it!” So I did. I am über excited. Hooray for theater.

    Thanks for your words of wisdom, PB. I’ll be adapting some of them for our church newsletter when I let people know I’ll be in this show, and that “Carol” (my character), will say a few things that the minister never would. Any other wisdom you have on that would be welcome! [Congratulations on the plum role!! Enjoy every bit of it! – PB]

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